Mercuria, thank you for your temperate and well-reasoned posts on this matter. I've been reading this thread, as well as the one at CP, for the last few days--in between bouts of hand-to-hand combat with my laptop--and the difference between the posts of txradioguy and the posts of those who are challenging him has been striking.

Txradioguy, bluster, wild accusations sans documentation, and profanity do not serve you well. They are indeed disgraceful to one who holds himself out as a representative of our armed forces; further, they fatally weaken any argument you may be trying to advance. Better to measure your words, forego the insults, and attach some proof to the charges you make.

Let's be very clear about one important thing: asking any organization that collects money for a charitable cause to produce their financial or other corporate records is NOT an "attack". No matter how many times you say it is, it is not. It is what is known as a reasonable, even prudent, request. Government entities which regulate such organizations often advise prospective donors to make just such requests. The fact that first Tonk, then HiJinx, and now you are so belligerently unwilling to honor such requests can only draw more unwelcome attention to PP.

Next, the only people connecting JimRob/FR with PP have been HiJinx and you. No one would have been wondering about such a connection had not the two of you blabbed about one. Again, you're not helping yourself here.

Y'all can put it all to rest anytime you choose. Why you so nastily refuse to do so is beyond me.

Oh, and before you try to paint me with the "bitter ex-Freeper" brush--I'm a progressive. The only time I've ever posted on FR was as a driveby on the Terrikook threads, in and out to try and present a few facts to the 'bots. Banned within 24 hours both times, as I expected and intended. I never was a freeper, and I surely ain't an ex-freeper in any meaningful sense of the term.

Do the right thing, tx. I understand honor is still thought highly of in the service.

Peace,
Farish

*yawn*


And your opinion on this counts for what exactly?

I have proven my point backed it up with facts and challenged first DBR and then the rest of you to show where any wrong doing has been comitted by PP.

I'm still waiting.



HiJinx offered to answer any questions about PP via the ProudPatriots e-mail link.

Only one CP'er responded and that person was appearently satidfied with the answers because they have dropped the subject.


Let's see by a show of hands how many of the CP and LP mutts in here are former or banned FReepers?



Since your buddies seem squeamish when it comes to this maybe you can answer a couple of questions that so far everyone else from your side of the debate on this have avoided.

CP claim to be a supporter of soldiers...allegedly do all these wonderful things at the VA..yet they:

Refuse to address the fact that a group you seem to proudly support and freely associate with has used intimidation and false claims to try and jam up an active duty Sailor with his command...insinuated that a person's house was being watched...and misrepresented themselves to a government agency.

The logical assumption is that by their silence on these issues...they condone them and support these tactics.

Is this actually the case? Yes or no.

No decent soldier of even moderate decency would condone or allow anything like that to go on willingly to another soldier or one of their family members.

And what does it say about you that you would associate yourself with a group that's trying to fuck over soldiers who are on the recieving end of the generous care packages sent to them in Iraq...Afghanistan...and Korea by Proud Patriots?

Also...why are you and the pther members of CP and the handful of people left at LP demanding that ProudPatriots do something that even people on your own website anre not willing to do?

JumpServe asked some valid questions of you and your brethren that she's still waiting on an answer for.

She listed several other "support the troops" organizations that do not do what you are demanding of PP.

Are you going after them next?




I am doing the right thing. That's why I started this thread.

Hey, Dave? I'm glad to see my posts back. Reading your editing phrase, however, I noticed this:


Since when does the Privacy Act of 1974 apply to internet posts on a private board?

LOL

More self aggrandisement there sport?

The patches designate the units you served with in a theatre of conflict...you can call them combat patches if you wish; many do, but they don't mean you saw any combat.

The "combat service bars" you refer to are properly called "Overseas Service Bars".

Seen much "combat".

You just keep on spinning, don't you, tough guy.....Bwaaaahhhaaaaaaaww

First of all, Lurk certainly has provided accountability for the WR project. In several places at CP she has listed the contact information for the lady at WR who handled the donations, and who will provide any caller with verification of what the donations were. Lurk herself would be glad to send you copies of receipts, I'm sure, if you contact her directly. And besides all of that, CP does not present itself as a charitable organization, soliciting funds from anybody but its own members. It's apples and oranges, but Lurk and CP have provided more transparency than PP has.

Regarding HiJinx, I personally emailed him through PP to ask my questions. I never receilved a reply.

I looked at a couple of the charities linked upthread and they all had contact information for someone regarding financial accountability issues, something PP does not. You continue to blow smoke and bluster about it, rather than providing PP's docs. It doesn't matter what anybody else does, tx; other organizations' compliance or non-compliance has no bearing on PP's not being in compliance. Don't you see that? (I think you do.)

Again, a call for accountability is not an attack. The fact that you see a request for financial transparency as trying to fuck PP over is telling.

As far as Joe's (?) commanding officer being contacted, there were some at CP in favor, some not. It's my understanding that speaking with the commanding officer when there is concern about a military person's behavior is the appropriate course of action. I don't know much about such things, however, and freely admit it.

I have no idea what you mean about watching someone's house or misrepresenting oneself to a government agency. That doesn't sound like anything a Posse member would do. If you will provide specifics--that means links, please--I will try to find out something for you. I rather suspect, though, that you are engaging in more that a bit of hysterical hyperbole here. If so, why not settle down and discuss things rationally?

Let me reiterate that Ms. Lurk at CP is an honorable, above-reproach woman of integrity. That you sling mud at her, who has given so generously of her time and resources, asking for absolutely nothing in return, is scurrilous, sir. Your attack on DBR was base enough, but Lurk is not involved in this. Leave off.

Peace,
Farish

Good Lord, you just don't stop, do you? What is that, breaking news?? When did I ever deny it? And what does it have to do with Proud Patriots?

I'll say it again, I have nothing to do with Proud Patriots. Check the dates, I was out of the canteen before it was started, and I have never had nothing to do with it. What part of that do you not understand? Why do you keep bringing my name into it?

Obviously you are obsessed with me since you are throwing my name around as if I am the boogie man behind every single troll that ever posted on FR. You wanna blame me for the tubgirl pictures? If you blame me, will that help you figure out whether Proud Patriots is legal or not? You should buddy up with Rebel Rocket over at the Posse, he wants to blame me for the beefcake thread, when all he has to do is look and see who posted it. Sorry to shatter both your illusions and your delusions, but it wasn't me and most people know that.

Can't you see that all you are doing is asking the same questions, perhaps a bit more eloquently, but still, its just the same questions over and over again? And you get the same answers and then you ask the same questions and so on and so on. Can't you see by now that you are not going to get any different answers, no matter how many times you mention my name?

Oh, and you wanna be sure this is me, send an email to linda@lindasog.com okay, and ask me there. I'll send you a yes okay?

Try not to include any sermons though. I am really not in the mood.

You don't owe me an apology for anything. You never pulled a graphic-switch stunt on me.

I did opine that you did not apologize to your friends at the Canteen for your ill-considered attempt to punish Jim Rob for your banning.

Pretty ironic that Tx has been railing against those here for asking questions as trying to "get at" Jim Rob when the fact is, Linda, it was you, his friend, who actually performed a deed that not only doubtless necessitated Jim Rob and Mods to work for hours to repair that damage you caused, but also caused extreme embarrassment among other Canteen members...whom I thought you and Tx viewed as friends.

Tx continually insists that a CPer posted porn on the Canteen, so I'm trying to set the record straight. His response has been so far to not name the CP culprit he accuses of doing this...even after you admitted here that the porn posting was your doing.



To be honest, no offense, I don't much care myself. But to set the record straight here, perhaps you didn't exactly defend yourself here regarding the Canteen porn pic issue, but you rationalized it as the only way you could think of to get Jim to remove your links. And several months after that activity, you agreed on another board that this was a good way to get back at folks on sites you didn't like who use pix and graphics from your hosting site.



Again, you're rationalizing. It would be a lot easier to move on from this to admit and express regret that it was a tacky and tasteless thing to do and a shockingly rude and unfriendly act towards your friends at the Canteen, not to mention appalling inconsiderate towards the servicepeople who visited the thread.



Yup. Have you more regrets that you posted porn to get back at Jim and thus embarrassed and shamed your friends at the Canteen, or more regrets that you didn't use the "Jim Rob is an Asshole" graphic? I'm trying to get a feel for priorities around here.



That's fine, it's not necessary for you to care what I think.

You should care what your friends at the Canteen think, and you should care about what servicepeople think. That is, if sharing and caring on the issue of service to our servicepeople is indeed a priority with you.



That's terrific. It's even easier to let things go when you can admit you did something stupid. That's sure enough what I had to do.




I'm not a member of Clown Posse myself. But Tx said that a member of CP posted porn at the Canteen. He started the fire.



It's not "my" turf, per se, it is a board where I am a member, where I have no special privileges, and where I hang out occasionally. Tx was doing some trash-talking himself and inviting everyone over here to see him give a vulgar verbal banging to DBR.

When invited to CP so there was at least more even ground for Diva and Tx to debate and perhaps resolve the issue, Tx stated he was unable to log onto CP, then when it appeared he had the ability, he refused to do it. So I thought that in order to get this thing resolved in a more mannerly fashion on more neutral ground, it would be a decent suggestion to propose that they discuss it at LP.

If you saw my posts at LP, chances are that Tx saw them, too. If so, that means he knew of the invite to neutral territory and decided to hunker down here instead.

So Mount Mercuria decided to come to Mohammad.



Please point out any baseless and unfounded accusations I made.



I'm not bitter because this is not a personal issue with me, I don't hate anyone, and Tx invited readers to jump on in. If I take him up on his invitation, how does that make me the bad guy?



Excuse me, but again, Tx brought up some issue about a CPer posting porn on the Canteen, and seeing that I knew who was responsible once for something like that, I was trying to make sure he wasn't getting confused or under the delusion that you were a CPer.



I mentioned the name, location, and computer graphics similarity, and you'll notice that I brought it up, but dismissed it out of hand as being even too big a load of gall for you to mingle with Canteeners after your stunt. How was I supposed to know that you were still buddies with Canteeners? I know if I had a friend who punked me like that, I'd be pretty cold toward them unless an apology was forthcoming.


Nonsense. I most certainly did not threaten to "run around the internet warning people" about you. I did state that anyone who uses hotlinks from your site runs the risk of getting an ugly surprise if you get pissed off with said site. That's hardly "unfounded". It's called precedent.



I'm not on any kind of "search and destroy" mission. I'm here to find out some facts about PP, but they don't seem to be forthcoming.



Please produce my false accusations based on insufficient information and speculation. Please produce my expressions of hatred, bitterness and resentment.

Actually, you may want to speak to your buddy Tx about that. He seems to be under the impression that folks who ask questions about transparency and accountability of an organizaton he supports are "after" him and his friends (and Jim Rob). And you can see for yourself how he expresses his fears.



It was not an accusation with a conclusion, it was speculation that I threw out and dismissed...although I thought the warning about hotlinking to your site was pertinent. The precedent thing, see.

Okay, so at least if nothing else was accomplished as far as getting any damned where at all, at least folks know that it's now confirmed that LindaSOG is not a member of Clown Posse.

Which still leaves the question open...what is the name of this porn-posting CPer Tx keeps bringing up?



The apology issue is between you and your friends, as I've said before. I made an assumption that you probably were not sorry for doing your hotlink trick at FR because of a post you made at MR many months after the act that shows you agreeing that switching out pix with porn was a good way to punk folks you didn't like. And your posting here and rationalizing that action you performed at FR kind of cements that assumption. If it's false, tell me where I made the mistake of assuming this. Show me what you posted that blows my assumption out of the water.

I've never had any chronic issue about admitting when I'm wrong, so I'm game.




Please provide links and quotes to my false accusations and erronneous conclusions.



You may want to tell your friend Tx that. He keeps insisting that everything is above board, and when folks want to see the bottom line and the fact in legal black and white...not sure how he conducts himself elsewhere, but he's flipping his wig here.



True enough, that.



You into the guilt-by-association thing? The board was started so that folks who were banned or just sick of FR's Happy Dictatorship could have a place to hang out. I brought myself and my own opinions; other folks brought themselves and their own opinions.

Please point out where I have posted anti-American, anti-Semitic statements. Best of luck. You won't find any.

Folks can hang out where they please. I may criticize the boards, but that does not mean I blanketly condemn posters for choosing to post anywhere.



Not really. Just in this one instance, to verify that I was indeed correct about LindaSOG posting porn at the Canteen, I checked for verification. Googled "LindaSOG" and "porn", if you're that curious and nervous about it. That's it. Found that post at MR, also found a thread on CP that discussed it. You came here and verified it. All really simple and nothing to get riled up over. I'm not tracking you or stalking you and really don't care where you post.



No, I have not seen those discussions and they don't sound like they'd interest me. It seems one of the biggest hobbies the on-line right has these days is picking apart other right-wing websites. Old news. Boring.

Yes, I'm aware of some of the blast-furnace style of foaming rage of some of the turkeys at LP. I'm also aware of some really nice, decent people there, too, and seeing as I don't hang out on FR anymore, I keep in contact with them there from time to time.



Because the discussion right now was focused on whether there was any correlating evidence to show that you were indeed the one who posted porn at the Canteen. Which happened because Tx brought up the issue of a CPer posting porn at the Canteen....which he said, I reckon, in order to raise doubts about their credibility as to their own research about PP.



"Support"? How? I post there from time to time. For free.

When did this become an issue of judging anyone by the company they keep? It's about ProudPatriots and the lack of evidence that they have the legal what-it-takes to do their business.



Ha...surely you don't think I'm as naive as all that? But I rather take issue with your challenging my conservative creds because of my purported bitterness and hatred that never even existed when you and your buddies are "woo-hooing" the concept of throwing porn on server hosts to lend shock value to places you don't like who dare to hotlink "your" stuff and to give yourselves a giggle.



How is Jim Rob a thief when you willingly posted those links yourself? Are you not willing to take responsibility or deserved heat for anything you do?



Again, the reason it was mentioned at all here is because Tx insisted over and over and over that CP is not a credible or truthful source of information with integrity because they switched out photos from the Canteen to display porn. I brought this up because I thought Tx was confused, I didn't know he was your friend, and I still don't know whether he knew that you had done that. All he's done is bluster about a porn-posting CPer, giving no name, while at the same time shouting about liars and libel and what-all.

I'm not going to just take the word of someone I barely know.



Who the hell said that? Not me.



"Other people do it" is not a mature excuse.

I don't frequent their "performance art" threads but I've no doubt they thought of something tacky. Stuff like that is not to my taste, but they don't put on false airs of gentility because they know none of us would believe it anyway. In that, they are pretty damned honest about themselves. I've been at the receiving end of some of their criticism, too, but you know, despite differences, you have to give your opponents or critics credit when they're right about something. It can be a learning experience and a growing experience, too.



I would respond:

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

We are called upon to judge not with our own humanly frail facilities lest we be judged with the same, but to judge with God's righteousness. Dig?

So if someone would please trot me out some real, black-and-white evidence that proves ProudPatriots is and always has been legally cleared to receive donations, I can make a righteous judgment and stop wasting my time asking questions that should've been answered days ago.

Hate to say it, but your friend Tx seems to be angry a lot. At least here. He probably knows he has to keep some kind of lid on it at FR.



Thanks for dropping by, seriously. You were a good sport to engage in this. If your friend Tx would've stuck to the subject and had not tried to squelch the message and the debate by attacking the messenger, there probably would've been no need for you to come here in the first place.

Ininuate all you want...people of much better standing in the world than you that I served with in Somalia and Iraq will tell you that you're wrong.


You only get them for every six months you are in a designated combat zone.

I've got three.

You need me to do the math for you or can you figure out just how much combat time I have?


No I haven't spun anywhere in this thread.

Project much?

Passionate about the things I defend...yes.

Angry...not even close.





I stuck to the issue. Hell I STARTED the issue here.

It's when you and your buddies were presented with the facts of the case that you guys started doing your best imitation of a tilt-a-whirl.

Farish either you missed the warning that Daveman gave pig-boy or you willfully igored it...but posting peoples real names at CU without their permission is not allowed.

Where is the evidence that this was a member of CP?

I don't recall there ever being such a member on CP, and if he showed up, I rather think his behind would've been bounced off pretty quickly.

That'w what we were told by the Admin Moderators at FR


You think that they'd use the same name at FR that they would at your place?

How many of your CP and LP buddies are using the same name here they do at CP or LP?

Jeez....Some of you guys need to get a life....I wonder how ya'll are living life when you guys are posting all of this shit on here and on all of the other worthless sites (Clown Posse....what a joke).......and I hardly believe any military member got into trouble because some "civilian" called his work and complained about something as stoopid as this shit....and no way a Commander would even come close to this unless the civilian Authorities were involved....from what I've perused on this thread concerning this subject and Clown Posse.....all I can say that I'll never get that hour of my life back...even this reply took too much of my precious life....