Are you accusing TRG of being involved in some kind of endorsement kickback scheme?

Because that's what it sounds like.

However, I still say the money earmarked for Walter Reed with TRG's name on it is being used callously. It's sitting there in someone's account, dangling on a string in front of TRG's face, when it could be doing some wounded soldiers some good.

I repeat: I don't like that very much. Drop the silly money-as-bait deal and give it to the people who need it.

I did a search on other charitable organizations.

Books for Soldiers - http://booksforsoldiers.com/

Treats for Troops - http://www.treatsfortroops.com/

MarineParents - http://www.marineparentsinc.com/

AnySoldier- http://www.anysoldier.com/WhatToSend.cfm

All of these sites accept donations that are supposed to go to the Troops. I am not doing the research, but their are tons of these on google. Do they post their financials upfront, as you are asking from ProudPatriots?

Another question for the n00bs. You donated money to this group, you trusted them, but now you don't? Shouldn't you have done your research on their website, before you donated? (Bill Oreilly should've taught you that) Their are a million online places to donate towards the deployed. Just choose a different one, that you are more comfortable with next time.

Ginger the short version is that we have a fringe rightwing website known as ClownPossee that is doing to ProudPatriots what the DUmp tried to to to VetWife's group.

Prior to this smear campaing...their greatest claim to "fame" was doing hit and run p0rn postings in the FreeRepublic Military Canteen.

And since one of the people making false claims and accusations without fact against PP is a member here...I called them to the Dome on it.

Thanks for the reply Txradioguy.


Fair enough. That is their prerogative as a business.



Understood, just making the comparison on the website level.


It also has the added benefit of transparency, which I would speculate, mitigates these types of situations from occurring. That is to say, the "You have to show me your financials because I have an axe to grind" people vs. the "Why should I, you mothergrabber. None o' your beeswax" people.


Good to hear, but the blank pages should be corrected as a matter of course. I mean, one could at least take the button down if there is no content to put there. It's as if there was an aisle in Walmart labelled "awesome stuff", yet the shelves were empty. Heck, he should put your testimonial up there. It's pretty convincing.


I believe you meant "CP" in the line above - not "PP" - unless not updating the website is the the "bullshit" you're referring to.


And it's a business. I'm telling you, fix those pages, put up some photos, and it doesn't have to be volunteer - people could be paid for these tasks.


I guess it could appear to some people that ProudPatriots is a non-profit charity, when clearly it isn't. It's a business, just like FR, DU, DailyKos, and others you mentioned. All the more reason to fix up the site, use Google Ads, etc.

Thanks for the explanation and good luck with it.

Thank you for keeping this on an intelligent..debateable level.





Ahhh...gotcha.




I understand that...and can see your point.




LOL! good point.



Yes that is what I meant...typing never was one of my strong points.




I agree...just speculation on my part...but they may be able to actually pay someone for this when their 501(c)(3) paperwork is finished.




Valid points.


Thank you for your courteous and logical responses.

I have gone over this thread and threads on three other forums, plus examined the ProudPatriots.org site.

Amidst all the noise and note-passing - and there was a blizzard of it - I have seen nothing from ProudPatriots or any knowledgeable representative of the org as far as hard evidence - legal filings, legitimate sources, documentation - that it does now or ever had the legal status to collect donations.

Word-of-mouth and "PP told me" is not sufficient, nor is it legal proof.

Can someone here please, for the love of Ronald Reagan, put an end to all of this and produce the links, hard evidence, documentation, etc. - and without the interforum smackdowns - that prove conclusively that ProudPatriots has always been legal to solicit money from the public as they have and do?

Thanks.

It's not like that at all. Anyone who asks for charity is obligated to explain where the money is going, and how it's spent. The state, on behalf of the public, obligates those who ask for charity to disclose how that money is used. It protects the public from scam artists.



That's not much of a point. No one should have to demand financial transparency of a charity. It should be displayed upfront. Anyone asking for money who tries to step around that is a scam unless proven otherwise. The burden of proof is on those who ask for charity. The obvious difference being that CP doesn't solicit funds.


You keep saying this. Post an example. It's never happened and you either say that because someone told you it's true and you didn't check it out (which speaks to your credibility) or you have seen it (and can back it up, or you can't which speaks to your credibility) or you are lying.

Which is it?

You've mentioned this several times on this thread. Care to share the evidence?

I'd sure like to know who at CP did something like that.

I thought it was LindaSOG who posted the Porn on the Canteen thread and if that is what TX is talking about, I know for a fact LindaSOG is NOT a member of CP.

Do I get my questions answered by the n00bs? Is the ProudPatriot site run drastically differently than other web donation sites? I provided links to just a few of them. Do those sites provide the things you are demanding from PP?

Also, a few of you said you donated to PP? Why did you donate to them without checking out their website? Why not just donate to treatsforsoldiers next time?

I looked at the anysoldier.com site, and they say that they do use donations towards promoting their charity. Probably towards advertising, and maybe even paying a few workers.

I was wondering myself if that was indeed the case, that txradioguy might have been thinking of LindaSOG.

If LindaSOG is a member of CP, considering what I've seen them post about her...if she's there, she's not welcome. I recall her being rejected for membership at an old site of that group.

LindaSOG was, however, a supporter of Snow Bunny and a top member of the Canteen before she was banned, and from what I gather, she retaliated for her banning by replacing pictures and graphics she originally hosted at her server for the Canteen with pornographic photos. I'm sure the Mods appreciated that.

I noticed here a poster named "Linda" who declares herself to be from Florida and into graphics and such, as well as being a Mod on other boards. I'd be really surprised if it were her, though, that would take an awful lot of gall to join up on a board filled with folks whose Canteen threads she fouled up in a very spiteful move.

But Linda has hotlinked a couple of pictures recently on this board from lindasog.com, and the Management here would be well advised not to allow her site to be used here for hotlinking pictures. Who knows what would happen if she got into a snit with Management here as she did elsewhere?

Well Merc, how embarassing would it be if the Linda here is in fact LindaSOG and Txradio is accusing CP members of doing the very thing that Linda did at the Canteen.

That would be projection of major proportion and not very "honor"able.

Where is the proof that LindaSOG is not at CP? I think she is.

There are plenty of posters over there that they don't like.

As a matter of fact, they do. They provide the information or a direct contact for requests of that nature. ProudPatriots doesn't do this, they have nothing on their site offering any kind of information to anyone providing what other service orgs gladly make public or at least make easily available.



I know that's what I would do until such time as ProudPatriots provides the information directly to the public on their legitimacy to solicit donations as opposed to sending out unofficial, uninformed spokespeople to talk a game and complain that being professionally transparent will hurt them personally.

So far, ProudPatriots has received donations by generally relying on the goodwill and trust of their personal friends and associates on FR, who would not think of asking their friends at PP for financial accountability and transparency and legal back-up for their activities and therefore perhaps insulting them.

When approached by a member of the Canteen with questions, that member was banned from FR.

When approached by people outside their circle, PP refused to produce anything concrete proving their legal right to solicit donations then or now on the grounds that the critics will talk trash about them and besides, they aren't legally required to be transparent about the organization. That's what was said, but with no supporting, concrete evidence to show how exactly they were given legal exemption from reporting to their donors their activities.

I don't think it's simply as easy as shrugging it off here as "well, that'll learn you not to ask questions and research". When questions were asked and research done, those looking for the bottom line were trashed as unpatriotic or troublemakers or "anti-FReepers"...and still there are still no clear or straight answers from the folks at PP regarding this issue. On the contrary, they seem to be completely avoiding it.

Which is really why this thread was started in the first place, it would seem.

Not only that, there is obviously a PP support team on this board led by a person who has, along with other friends of his, been beneficiary of items bought with the funds donated to PP, and this unfortunately seems to have affected his objectivity.



That's called transparency, and I'll bet if you contacted them asking to see the necessary information proving that they have a legal right to solicit donations and the breakdown of their costs, they'd give it.