Good night DBR...nice of you to show up now.

I look forward to reading the newest steaming batch of BS you are pounding out with your fists right now when I get up in the morning.

I'm off to sleep a VERY peaceful sleep.

Can someone who cares give me the Executive Summary of this thread? I'd have my assistant do it but he's in a bar somewhere right now. Or plotting my overthrow. Whatever. What's the gist of this?

It would seem that there are some members of another site making accusations about TX and a charitable organization that have no facts and are stooping to the lowest levels to get Military members into a shit sandwich with their Chain of Command. Basically a bunch of shit stirrers with nothing better to do then to ruin peoples lives. They are inconsequnential in the grand scheme of things and they will soon find themselves in some pretty deep kimchi.

My financial and morale-enhancing support of our military personnel and their families is nobody's business but my own. No disrespect to your inquiry.

I'm not making myself the centerpiece of a "nobody loves and supports the troops like me" campaign as are TxRadioguy, Tonk and other attention whoring internet "impresarios".

Do you find it at all unusual that Tx would be so boorishly protecting a purportedly charitable program, initiated and run by his fellow insiders at the FR Canteen, that he himself has directly benefited from?

I do. Why should a Public Information Offic media specialist - who has time to post endlessly on FR, CU and elsewhere - warrant ANY precious financial support from a troop-centric charitable organization?

Dave, it's not like there's no history of abuse in that FR Canteen venue. I was around at FR ... perhaps so were you ... during the "SnowBunny" fiasco. It was the same denials and counterattacks waged by many of the same players. And that little brouhaha did nothing but bring ill repute and dishonor to the Canteen, FR and everyone involved. Some folks remember that shitstorm and abuse of trust and are not going to back down on this without sufficient evidence it isn't Canteen Scam Take Two. No matter how many F-bombs and assorted vulgarities your pal uses in his increasingly pathetic faux-hardass act, he's not going to intimidate a group of lawyers, accountants, military spouses and professionals - that's the CP membership - to just pretend nothing's amiss.

I'm not an actively registered member of Clown Posse. But I support their mission in this case 100%. They're putting their ante on the table: $1200 to Walter Reed if the baddest assed AV-riffic Armyman on the internet goes on the road to unfamiliar territory to either work his transparent bullshit or comport himself like a serious and dedicated professional who can evangelize the authenticity and legitimacy of Proud Patriots. Thus far - idiots like Tonk and Trident Delta have fallen pitifully short in that gig.

My guess? The CP crew is going to donate that amount to the Walter Reed residents whether Kid Dynamite shows his ass there or not.

Regards.

Unless I am missing something txradioguy, why is it so difficult to post financials on the ProudPatriots.org website? I am just discovering Clown Posse and have been to Freerepublic only a handful of times - I don't post there - lest you take this is as an attack.

I genuinely would like to know why there is no financial table on the ProudPatriots site. Freerepublic has one on their donate page:


When visiting the proudpatriots.org site, one finds a donation page, a list of items that one can buy through Amazon for Proud Patriots, Proud Patriots own swag that one can purchase, an empty "heroes" page, an empty calendar page, and a list of campaigns with no explanation given.

Isn't it possible that this could appear dubious to prospective donors? Why is it so difficult to post additional information about funds collected, testimonials and pictures from troops receiving the packages, lists of items delivered for each campaign, etc.?

I'm curious about this. Not enough time / resources?

txradioguy - I am on the same side as you guys. I don't like the idea of a current service member being reported, one bit!

Please don't talk to me with the *f* word.



I just happened upon a thread - very long one, at that, to read over a period of days - where there where unanswered questions. Women supporters are long standing.



MOST Americans LOVE our troops and do support them, behind the scenes.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...current=85.jpg

Sorry that last pic won't post here. Link should work. Maybe it's copyrighted and I didn't know better.

What really ticked me off today! Cindy Sheehan apparently had some influence over a serviceman who went AWOL into Canada just yesterday. A Hawaiian Marine. We need to squelch her Cindy, but good. She's my pet peeve! Her mention is at the bottom of the article.

http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=19250

Diva Betsy Ross IS a true supporter as far as I know.

Thanks, Wolf! Why anybody cares about other sites is beyond me but whatever.....

Txradioguy has assured us that HE received Oreos and other tasty snack crackers and HIS children received stuffed toys on Valentines day. That should assuage any inquiring mind.

Extrapolate the rare chances of a guy like him ... probably one of 650,000 Army/Marines who've rotated through deployment this last three years ... getting that kind of tribute from an entity obviously as large and widely scoped as ProudPatriots and it's easy to understand why the ORGANIZATION DOESN'T FOOKING LEGALLY EXIST ... it's nonexistent ... except for some PayPal donation links and smart looking CafePress merchandise. </sarcasm>

The tributes and testimonials should be overwhelming. Shouldn't they?

This thing reeks.

Sorry, reply in two parts as it's too large for a single post.
All comments included to not lose train of thought

Most of the Pussies...err...Possee from what I've seen get their rocks off posting porn pics at the CU canteen.

Great bunch you've cast your lot with there.


Never heard that. I do know there was a period of time porn was being posted on many threads at FR and it has since abated.

I suspect that if it had been a member of CP doing it it would have been posted far and wide in our little corner of the web.

Without that, there's nothing to stop me from claiming it was someone from inside FR or the Canteen, so let's just kick that liitle guy to the curb until you can prove it.



Actually if you were honest...which you're not...you'd admit that your problems really aren't with PP...but with FR and you've found a way...at least you think you have...to get at certain FReepers you don't like by going after PP with baseless claims.

You don't know me well enough to determine my honesty. You might have been better off suggesting that you viewed my post as being less than complete, but it's obvious you'll resort to name calling in lieu of resonable debate. Nice technique.

To educate you a little; simply stated, CP is made up of four different mindsets. AFers - anti FReepers, AKers - anti-kooks, AF/AKers - self explanitory, and people who like to post there for other reasons. I'm primarily an AKer, but there are so many ko0Ks at FR, it's tough to step away from it.

You wouldn't walk away from a rich vien of gold to go mine silver would you?

I couldn't, so I don't.

Actually, there are no certain FReepers I'm trying to get back at, with the exception of the Terri-Bots...those people are nuts and give conservatives a bad name, AFAIC...fair game to me. The rest of the people get slamed by what they post on the open boards.



They've been rendered asshat. Problem is...you don't liket he answers.

That the best you got? I've been called worse than that by my friends.

I told you before, the ammunition would be words and logic...better call for a resupply.

Is PP currently authorized to solicit in VA?

Why did PP change their place of "business" from VA to AZ?

If there is no problem with VA, why did they choose to "relocate"? That alone is enough to make me raise my eyebrows.

Questions like that.

In itself, a business relocating is no biggie, but in light of the fact that questions were asked of VA regarding PP, and PP chose to move, makes it suspicious, at least to me, among others



Yeah I know what your screen name stands for....goodie for you.

No. You might know what it means, but you have no idea what it stands for.

But what disgusts me is that you're giving people a pass who are purposely trying to jam up a fellow service member with baseless claims.

YOu familiar with the term "Blue Falcon"?

Something tells me you are.

If someone, anyone, has an issue with a member of the military, the chain of command of that servicemember is the proper authority to contact, be it a letter of indebitness, complaints of non-payment of child support or suspicion of a crime, whatever.

The chain of command relays the complaint to the servicemember's immediate commander for investigation.

Quit whining about it. Proper proceedures were followed by whomever made the complaint.

As an aside, I advised against it (on the thread, for all to see), as I didn't see enough yet to warrant the complaint, but someone else thought there was sufficient cause...that's the way it works.

*clap clap clap*....sounds good...too bad your actions in all of this and the people you've chosen to associate yourself with are the exact opposite of your noble boasts.

My actions? You better go read that thread again and in particular, my posts....I have defended PP where warranted and offered a suggestion to help improve the canteen, and offered to pay for it out of my pocket....some of the Posse liked the suggestion, others didn't care much for me suggesting it...doesn't matter, except it might give a little insight about where I'm comming from.

I'm resonably proud of my actions.

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For those of you reading this and rolling your eyes at that concept, consider yourselves beneath my notice...you wouldn't understand it anyway.

How snobbish of you.

Quote:
"And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by from this day until the ending of the world but we in it shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother, Be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition, and gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves acursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks, that fought with us upon St. Crispin's day! " - Wm Shakespere

my bold. I posted that for people who have no concept of how close members of the military can become and what it's like to be a band of brothers.

I didn't think I'd have to explain it to a member of the Old Guard. Better re-cycle yourself.

You won't be flanking a post at the Tomb, I take it

Glad to see your Google-fu is working.

Works juuust fine.


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I see enough irregularities to make me wonder about the validity of Proud Patriots' effort in supporting the troops.

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. - Paul Simon

You've been shown the evidence that blows holes in what your knuckle drtagging brethren at CP are spewing.

YOu've chosen to ignore it.

Too many links to ignore it....all you've offered is rethoric....not quite a confidence builder there, Hoss

You've also turned a blind eye to their Gestapo style intimidation tactics.

Pretty awsome huh?

First I get to be a Jack-booted Nazi at FR for arguing or supporting the rule of law against the T-Bots and now I'm supporting a Gestapo style tag team.

You FR regulars really should come up with some new insults...the Nazi references are beyond tiresome.

Guess you never got to the NCO level did you?

Since I posted it on another unrelated thread at CP, I don't mind answering that here...I served in grades E1 through E8 and O1 through O4...the Army even gave me a whole bunch of DD214s to prove it.

I won't bother asking you what your rank is; it's uniumportant to me.

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I also make a habit of busting wannabes too, so the inclusion of the PI and the link to USDRC was a bonus....I really do thank Tonk for the post...it was a three fer, AFAIC

Ohhh..."busting wannabe's"...shoudl I be impressed now or later?

Later's fine


Ahhh here we now get to the nub of your reason for going after PP.

As I said above...it has NOTHING to do with PP itself...it's the fact that it's associated with FR..and your dislike for JimRob...so you think you can get to him and smear FR by going after Proud Patriots.

Asked and answered above.



So you say. All we have is your alleged "word" on that.

Pop some more smoke.

Questioning my word or calling me a liar is what I expected from you and no more meaningful that of a mosquito bite.

IMO, you've already demonstrated how you deal with debate; by resorting to name calling.

i might point out that casual observers might consider your posting behavior childish and not particularly noteworthy. Do try to work on that.

If we handled this the same way you've "handled" the PP issue you've created over there...we could make all kinds of baseless accusations and claims about what you morons are doing with the supposed money you've raised.

How's that shoe feel on the other foot?

We? Who's we. Are you speaking as a "member" of PP or as a member of FR?

It's certainly not CU's issue. The only reason this thread is running is because you dragged it over here and chose to "call out" DBR here rather than at CP, where you registered an account and have yet to post.

DBR can't go back to FR; she's banned there, You could go to CP and post, but won't.

My guess is you're under some kind of restraint. My guess is JR put out the word that no member of FR is to go to CP and discuss PP, so you're limited to location.

So, who's "we"?

By the way, the troops at WRMC will get the recently pledged donations...we're kicking it around now, the how and when....it's no longer a stipulation that you come over to post for them to get it.

To get back to your question. You haven't put a shoe on another foot.

Tonk posted a solicitation for PP at CP...we asked questions nobody has come back to CP to answer them.

I haven't come here to solicit funds for anything CP has or is doing...it's not quite the same thing...go get some more straw and smoke.

LOL! still kicking that old crap around are you? It's all been laid out over there before...try reading sometime...you might learn something.

I'm a mover; I work for a moving company....we move 1s and 0s all over the place. I'm pretty familiar with moving and storage costs. I'm expected to know what it costs. I get too darn many rate sheets now to try and make sense out of that thing FR calls a budget.

I know it doesn't take much of a GT score to qualify as an 11B but c'mon.

OOOH! That stung...not. I started as a radio repairman (got a piece of paper to prove that too), so the point is moot, and re-enlisted for combat arms when I figured out where I belonged.



Yoiu just proved otherwise. It's about you...ity's about you and the other assclowns over there that have a personal ae to grind with FR...and you're grinding that axe at the expense of an organization that's REALLY interested in helping soldiers...instead of a bunch of self-serving mouth breathers like CP.

Come over to CP and prove PP is REALLY interested in helping soldiers. Bring Hijinx and the Canteen CEO with you...that's all that was ever asked...all this other stuff you're spouting is avoiding the issue and building strawmen and blowing smoke.

PP came to us via tonk. There is no avoiding that little fact. No matter what you say or how you try to spin it, that little fact just sits there for all and sundry to see. It's there the questions were asked and where they ought to be answered.

It's like a wine stain on a formal shirt

Deal with it.


So you say...until you show us proof of your efforts...I'm not convinced.

For all any of us here know...your "visiting the local VA" could consist of driving past it on your way to the local package store.

Could be, but the only people I have to prove my statements to are myself, and those who I care to prove it to.

There are people on the 'net who know who I am and can verify the truth of my statements, and Hoss, you ain't one of them.

It is enough for me that there are some I trust with that information and all that can be learned with it.

Why?

Because you put youself right in the middle of it and claimed you knew the whole story.

If you know the whole story, you and only you can put this to rest.

I told you not to bring a comic book to an encyclopedia fight.


Oh that's origninal. Look around dumbass...all you CLown Pussy asshats have come in here and tried your little bullshit game on me...and I've knocked your best outta the park.

Fact by little fact.

Uh....here a little baseball metaphor for you, an instant replay."PP came to us via tonk. There is no avoiding that little fact. No matter what you say or how you try to spin it, that little fact just sits there for all and sundry to see. It's there the questions were asked and where they ought to be answered."


So if anyone needs to work on their "A game"...it's you junior.

There just might be some differing opinions about that. We'll let this little corner of the 'net decide, but I think you might be padding your batting average. ('nother baseball metaphor for you)

[quote]
BTW, I couldn't help but see a picture of you with your family (You did post it in the public domain).

*shrugs* and?


Nice looking family. What would your reaction be if anyone talked to one of your daughters (regardless of provocation) that way you talked to DBR?[quote]

DBR is a grown woman...a drama queen...but a grown woman none the less.

She brought this on herself.

If she's not big enough to take what she gives...she should keep her mouth shut.

That's some good advice all of you should consider.

Spin it tx, spin it.

The question was "What would your reaction be if anyone talked to one of your daughters (regardless of provocation) [s]that[\s] the (edited) way you talked to DBR?[quote]

Nothing more nothing less. You seem to have a problem with straight up answers.

Guess your momma ran out of soap when you were a youngun'.

Way I learned it, a man doesn't talk to women that way; guess times have changed


Quote:
Suggest you take a look in the mirror there, Hoss.[quote]

Project much?

Sometimes.
OK, tx I've had my say.

I'll let myself out, but in closing, I'd like to state that if the idea of "Thunderdrone" is an exchange of cusswords and name calling, then I have failed miserably and have been bested.

I have a habit of replying to every post to me, on any board, as straightforward as I can. It is both a curse and a blessing.

I have done it here as resonably as I can, but I find attempting to discuss anything with someone with such a limited vocabulary as yourself to be particularly tiresome, so I won't be back to listen to you spin another "platter"...it's more like splatter and AFAIC, you've got it all over yourself

Not taken as that at all. Let me ask you this...why should they have to justify themselves to a bunch of disgruntled ex-Freepers with an axe to grind?

It would be like someone who dislikes you demanding to see your financials and when you refuse...spreading malicious and fals accusations about you and anyone who knows you across the internet.


FreeRepublic and ProudPatriots are two completely different types of operations.

From what I know of the background on FR...the reason FR has to post their financials is due to some kind of court case they went through.




*shrugs*...ok so their webmaster isn't as up to date on getting links in as he/she should be. The original people behind ProudPatriots has a regular full time job.

As RobCrook the owner here here...it's not as easy running a website as people think.


It hasn't scared away anyone from donating their time money or goods yet.

But the morons at PP could sure scare away potential supporters with their bullshit.


Quite possible. It's an all volunteer organization so people dontate their time to helping when they can.

But lets look at this from a different angle.

You bring up a point that FR posts it's financials and PP doesn't. But when you look around the internets...how many websites post their financial information?

Do you see that at DemocraticUnderground? DailyKos?

What about any local forums you post to in your home town? If they run little ads in the corner of the forum pages (like here) doesn't that mean they're taking in SOME kind of ad revenue?

What about ClownPossee...is there a "financials" link on their site?

There's not even one here.

My point to that is that you have a group of people demanding...DEMANDING that a volunteer organization helping troops post information that they aren't required to post...yet ignore the fact the website they post their hateful lies on doesn't do the same thing.

ProudPatriots has done what's required of it with the Commonwealth of Virginia and the state agency it's required to deal with.

It doesn't have to answer to a bunch of loudmouth keyboard commando's at a website that it's greatest claim to fame up to now has been posting porn pics at the FR canteen.

Hey one of your p0rn posting compadres asked if anyone had gotten any care packages or something to that effect. I simply stated what I know...there are others that have gotten the packages... CU member Dark Knight and his soldiers in Iraq recieved packages regularly.

Packages have been sent to other FR members who are in the military.

But if that's not enough to assuage your curiousity...why don't you contact one of the units that PP supports and ask them yourself.

Members of ProudPatriots also sent cards and condolences to my frind that died that I have in my sig line.



I also saw the care packages recieved by the people that I gave names and addresses to within 3rd Brigade 1st Armored Division get their packages too.


After your wonderful stunt of trying to get an active duty service member in trouble with his chain of command becasue of his assiciation with PP...I doubt anyone really wants to come forward and run the risk of being your next victim.

Can't say as I blame them. Trust me I thought long and hard about the possibility myself before I said anything. There are still friends of mine that are following this from the shadows that are fearful that your buddies will try the same stunt on me.


True...but not int he way you think it does.

HiJinx has offered to answer any and all questions about PP via the e-mail link at PP.

He like myself have no desire to respond over there.

Neither one of us are that stupid.



Ok Tonk came over there big deal. What's your point? He's very passionate in defending things he believes in.

I haven't tried to spin anything. I've presented factual information.

Wish I could say the same for you and your porn posting compadres.


It has been dealt with...too bad for you and CP that you have come out on the losing end.




LOL! SO you'll demand that people associated with PP provide information that you yourself won't provide...and you have the gall to criticize them for it?

You ever look up the definition of "hypocrite"?

Maybe you should.


Keep that in mind the next time you start questioning me and what I do.

That statement goes both ways.


I have put it to rest. Not my fault you brought a "knife to a gunfight".

See I can use the cute little hacknyed rhymes too.



Is that a broken record I hear? Someone neds to bump the needle on that old 78.

Your innane little sayings and baseball metaphors don't cover up or replace the fact that you haven't disproven one single thing about what I've posted to refute the allegations against CP.

Here's another little saying for you...it applies to you and CP quite well...

You ready?

All hat and no cattle.



*looks around*...don't see anyone but a couple of sour grapes asshats from CP telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

So far I've done nothing but post factual information...you've done nothing but come after me personally...type out some cute...if un-useful metaphors and spin your little pointy head off.


[quote]
BTW, I couldn't help but see a picture of you with your family (You did post it in the public domain).

*shrugs* and?



Translated: I have nothing close to an intelligent response so I'll just say anything here to fill space.




If my kids were adults...liek DBR is...and they got into a scrape like this and dished out the load of crap that DB has...I'd expect them to be able to handle it when it comes flying back at them.

But then again I'd also tell them to make sure they are right and have the facts before they start accusing anyone of anything too.




Actually I trreat people relative to how I'm treated and how someone treats my friends.

I have disagreements and debates with people on here all the time...and they are much more civil than this.

The fact that you are resorting to focusing on my language it pretty telling about exactly how much of a valid arguement against PP you really have.

None.




Like I said...if she can't handle it...she shouldn't have said anything or started the attacks in the first place.

She is after all an adult right?

OK, tx I've had my say.


Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.



Straightforward huh? Longwinded spin is more like it.


I'm sorry did you actually say anything that made sense or was anywhere near on topic?

Oh Curahee...since you want to claim...falsely I might add...that I have a problem asnwering direct questions...maybe you need to take your own adivce...cause I see that you've avoided these questions completely.

So I'll post them again for you.

You claim to be a supporter of soldiers...allegedly do all these wonderful things at the VA..yet you:

Refuse to address the fact that a group you seem to proudly support and freely associate with has used intimidation and false claims to try and jam up an active duty Sailor with his command...insinuated that a person's house was being watched...and misrepresented themselves to a government agency.

The logical assumption is that by your silence on thises issues...you condone them and support these tactics.

Is this actually the case? Yes or no.

No decent soldier of even moderate decency would condone or allow anything like that to go on willingly to another soldier or one of their family members.

And what does it say about you that you would associate yourself with a group that's trying to fuck over soldiers who are on the recieving end of the generous care packages sent to them in Iraq...Afghanistan...and Korea by Proud Patriots?

If as you claim you are a former soldier...why would you allow ANYONE to do this to military members or their families?

Changed my mind from the first time I posted these...I would like an answer on this last one as well.